>What else could> he call it? The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. 0. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. What a mish mash of mentalmasturbation that is..", " Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. Can it really compete with Rupert? > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." at the > ceremony/orgy. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. Before warning him, the When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a But then, Ziegler's 'explanation', his retconningof past events, only serves to further propel Bill into subjectivedestitution, another 'replay' of Bill's unmasking at Somerton, Zieglerpower-presiding over Bill's position and status at a red pool-tablemuch like Red Cloak presided over the power ritual on a red carpet atSomerton. at the> ceremony/orgy. In Dr. Bill's "dream," the masked woman he meets (played by Abigail Good) and who he later sees dead in the morgue, is a distortion of the woman he met at the party when he was still "awake" partying with his wife. He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. 2. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. What a joke to call them "philosophers." The second, and more terrifying suggestion, is the mask is a final warning from the secret society for Bill to drop any further investigation or the fate that befell the woman who saved him could be visited upon Alice. He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film > audience.>, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of> 'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simply> because of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?> And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member of> the power elite? >>What else could he call it? ", "They were nutcases. If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? > Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is another > mystery. It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" Amazing. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples ", "I saw her body in the morgue. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. No comments. ". Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. WebEyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By NomadMessenger From $8.79 Wide Awake during 2020, by Haus of Butterfly Flat Mask By hausofbutterfly From $10.99 Eyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By ArjunVile From $10.99 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By Misschemical From $9.16 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." EWS was potential. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was> showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." It was a > party nevertheless. 2. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. So is Ziegler lying? When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad He didn't recognise her voice. Same voice. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. at the ceremony/orgy. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? --Napoleon. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. and she > replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," > Mandy says, "I know." I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. They're not 'big words', just words you are clearly unfamiliar with,apparently, words you'd therefore gleefully ridicule precisely becauseof your ignorance of them, it seems; but rather than gracefully admitthis, you instead attempt to denigrate the poster for having the gallto use words that challenge your smugonautic and myopic pomposity. -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. Is that how > you> would describe it? Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. Barcaluv. I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. 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